Saralayar
01-08 02:06 PM
Guys
I just checked my status - It is now "Document mailed to applicant"
this can mean many things. I will update all once I see the document
Please keep updating your status in this thread as you see something happen
We've just gotta keep cool. Thanda thanda pani.
That means you will recieve the AP documents in 3 to 4 days.:)
I just checked my status - It is now "Document mailed to applicant"
this can mean many things. I will update all once I see the document
Please keep updating your status in this thread as you see something happen
We've just gotta keep cool. Thanda thanda pani.
That means you will recieve the AP documents in 3 to 4 days.:)
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sunny1000
07-06 06:24 PM
And how does it not apply to AOS.
For Consular processing people have to plan trips and get medical and all that.
Why doesnt the same analogy apply to AOS. - Please explain...:confused:
The difference is that AOS is handled by USCIS and the CP is done by DOS. It is the USCIS which ran out of the 60000 visas (supposedly) before July 1st even though DOS opened those numbers up for the entire July.
Now, DOS is saying to USCIS " you guys used your quota even before the rush started and so, we won't give you any more visa numbers but, we will continue to honor our quota via CP which we accounted for July". Just my interpretation. Don't shoot the messenger ;)
For Consular processing people have to plan trips and get medical and all that.
Why doesnt the same analogy apply to AOS. - Please explain...:confused:
The difference is that AOS is handled by USCIS and the CP is done by DOS. It is the USCIS which ran out of the 60000 visas (supposedly) before July 1st even though DOS opened those numbers up for the entire July.
Now, DOS is saying to USCIS " you guys used your quota even before the rush started and so, we won't give you any more visa numbers but, we will continue to honor our quota via CP which we accounted for July". Just my interpretation. Don't shoot the messenger ;)
Green.Tech
06-11 10:46 AM
Let's see who the first HERO will be to break the pattern of 2 days of zero contributions...
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HV000
07-23 12:42 PM
DEMOCRATIC SENATORS like Hilary, Biden, Obama, Kerry, Kennedy,
Dodd, Durbin blah blahed a lot for ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION but DID NOT HELP SKILLED IMMIGRANTS!!!
MOST OF THE REPUBLICANS HELPED US!!
Dodd, Durbin blah blahed a lot for ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION but DID NOT HELP SKILLED IMMIGRANTS!!!
MOST OF THE REPUBLICANS HELPED US!!
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MDix
08-23 09:17 AM
If they could they would have, but unfortunately judgment doesn't talk anything about Multinational manager.They tried to extend he finding of EB1 to EB2. I believe even thought this strictly applies to EB2 without M.S. But things will get tough for EB2 Master also ......
Why there is nothing for EB Multinational Managers? Even a small project manager gets a priority greencard and people with masters degree and 10 year experience are waiting. Nobody has told to USCIS yet?
Where is GCperm when you need one?
Why there is nothing for EB Multinational Managers? Even a small project manager gets a priority greencard and people with masters degree and 10 year experience are waiting. Nobody has told to USCIS yet?
Where is GCperm when you need one?
Libra
09-14 11:48 AM
bump
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TomPlate
07-05 02:14 PM
All can file I-485 now. please go through this link.
http://www.murthy.com
http://www.murthy.com
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lyu265
04-02 02:12 PM
EB-2 RIR
NJ
PD: April 2004
45 Letter Received: Feb 2006
NJ
PD: April 2004
45 Letter Received: Feb 2006
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srhari
07-14 04:01 PM
Simply send the check of $5 to Immigration Voice at the address listed in the first post as if you were paying a utility bill. That way your bank will send IV a check of $5.00 (or whatever amount you want it to) and IV gets the WHOLE $5 and no fees are deducted.
Thanks for the information. Just paid $20 using online Bill Pay from BOA (Confirmation #: 7YBC0-Y1MRW).
Thanks for the information. Just paid $20 using online Bill Pay from BOA (Confirmation #: 7YBC0-Y1MRW).
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sanju
07-24 10:38 AM
This is so out of whack. Employment based green card issue is not about India or Indians. Our issue is about America and us i.e. highly skilled people from all countries waiting for their green cards. STOP BRANDING EMPLOYMENT BASED GREEN CARD AS "INDIA ISSUE". Such an attitude doesn't help at all and it is a big turn-off for people from other countries. Let’s be mature about solutions to the issue.
Also, people who give money to campaigns - Hillary, Obama or any other candidates, they are not giving the money to change any policy for getting green cards sooner for employment based categories. Our issue is not even on the radar screen of most "ethnic communities". And problem gets worst when news media, people like Lou Dobbs try to misguide the general public with their hate mongering propaganda - again with the objective to increase the value of his own stock. Often times Lou Dobbs will try to make it all look like "conspiracy theory" being hatched against American middle class - just to get their attention. For example Lou says that people from Indian American community are contributing to Hillary to promote outsourcing????? Hello!!!! Who is in the world is idiot enough NOT to believe that increased outsourcing affects everybody in US, including Indian-Americans. Sometimes news media will call Hillary as senator from the state of Punjab and other similar bull shit but catchy news items. And it is ok if majority of the middle-class Americans shake their heads in disbelief (because they are ignorant about the facts), as if a massive conspiracy theory is being hatched against the middle class. But people who have any common sense have the responsibility to think rationally and filter "real news" from news intended to increase ratings of a news shows/channels.
Also, the idiots who give campaign funds do so to buy proximity to power to increase their own profile. People who give money to campaigns are SICK and corrupt. These people are simply taking pictures with the candidate or a politician (not a lawmaker - there is a difference) to increase the value of their own stock. Too often this forum has mentioned the name of Chatwal being close to Clintons. Guys, lets face it, Chatwal is doing excellent marketing for himself. I don't think he is as close as he projects and as most people think he is. The way system works, anybody who is ready to give $1000 for a campaign can get their pictures with the "POLITICIAN", especially during campaign season. And these photo-ops freaks do not care about anybody other than them self. Therefore, the so called "indian lobby" exist only in the imagination of people who read news articles that are written by paid journalists.
About Cornyn amendment, this was clearly a party line vote. It had nothing to do with the position of a Senator on the issue. Did you notice that Sen. Grassley voted in favor of the SKIL bill? Anybody knows why???? As most people here may already know, Sen. worked overtime to derail the CIR. Because of that, leaders of the Democratic party in the Senate are upset with him on immigration issue. And thus, most democrats voted to oppose Cornyn’s proposal. That is how things work in the Senate – which is no different than the way things work at the any other workplace. Vote on Cornyn amendment had nothing to do with the stand of a Senator on an issue.
So, it is ok if Conryn amendment did not go through – “this time”. There will be more opportunities in the future. The thing is, Democratic Senators like Cantwell need to lead in pushing EB provisions. That may help to easy out the partisan vote on such proposals in the future.
Just my take on the situation.
NY/NJ/CT/MA Members -
Please write to Sen.HILARY CLINTON expressing your dissatisfaction or concern with regard to failure of Sen.Cornyn Amendment. It's critical that we as Indians get her opinion on this issue. She voted NO on this amendment DESPITE the indian lobby contributing to her campaign. Also its likely that she might become our next president.
Obviously, Sen.Obama does not care much for Indians!
Also, people who give money to campaigns - Hillary, Obama or any other candidates, they are not giving the money to change any policy for getting green cards sooner for employment based categories. Our issue is not even on the radar screen of most "ethnic communities". And problem gets worst when news media, people like Lou Dobbs try to misguide the general public with their hate mongering propaganda - again with the objective to increase the value of his own stock. Often times Lou Dobbs will try to make it all look like "conspiracy theory" being hatched against American middle class - just to get their attention. For example Lou says that people from Indian American community are contributing to Hillary to promote outsourcing????? Hello!!!! Who is in the world is idiot enough NOT to believe that increased outsourcing affects everybody in US, including Indian-Americans. Sometimes news media will call Hillary as senator from the state of Punjab and other similar bull shit but catchy news items. And it is ok if majority of the middle-class Americans shake their heads in disbelief (because they are ignorant about the facts), as if a massive conspiracy theory is being hatched against the middle class. But people who have any common sense have the responsibility to think rationally and filter "real news" from news intended to increase ratings of a news shows/channels.
Also, the idiots who give campaign funds do so to buy proximity to power to increase their own profile. People who give money to campaigns are SICK and corrupt. These people are simply taking pictures with the candidate or a politician (not a lawmaker - there is a difference) to increase the value of their own stock. Too often this forum has mentioned the name of Chatwal being close to Clintons. Guys, lets face it, Chatwal is doing excellent marketing for himself. I don't think he is as close as he projects and as most people think he is. The way system works, anybody who is ready to give $1000 for a campaign can get their pictures with the "POLITICIAN", especially during campaign season. And these photo-ops freaks do not care about anybody other than them self. Therefore, the so called "indian lobby" exist only in the imagination of people who read news articles that are written by paid journalists.
About Cornyn amendment, this was clearly a party line vote. It had nothing to do with the position of a Senator on the issue. Did you notice that Sen. Grassley voted in favor of the SKIL bill? Anybody knows why???? As most people here may already know, Sen. worked overtime to derail the CIR. Because of that, leaders of the Democratic party in the Senate are upset with him on immigration issue. And thus, most democrats voted to oppose Cornyn’s proposal. That is how things work in the Senate – which is no different than the way things work at the any other workplace. Vote on Cornyn amendment had nothing to do with the stand of a Senator on an issue.
So, it is ok if Conryn amendment did not go through – “this time”. There will be more opportunities in the future. The thing is, Democratic Senators like Cantwell need to lead in pushing EB provisions. That may help to easy out the partisan vote on such proposals in the future.
Just my take on the situation.
NY/NJ/CT/MA Members -
Please write to Sen.HILARY CLINTON expressing your dissatisfaction or concern with regard to failure of Sen.Cornyn Amendment. It's critical that we as Indians get her opinion on this issue. She voted NO on this amendment DESPITE the indian lobby contributing to her campaign. Also its likely that she might become our next president.
Obviously, Sen.Obama does not care much for Indians!
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gene77
04-12 11:45 PM
Nothing yet, RFE response received is all. Waiting ..
Got the card production e-mail today, thank you everyone for your endless support the past 7 years.
Got the card production e-mail today, thank you everyone for your endless support the past 7 years.
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06-19 03:01 PM
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pappu
03-12 10:43 AM
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chi_shark
03-04 02:02 PM
Thank you for posting it.
Any one else with recent LUDs/RFEs on their pending I-485 ?
me and my fam got lud on everything in nov last year.
Any one else with recent LUDs/RFEs on their pending I-485 ?
me and my fam got lud on everything in nov last year.
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Napoleon
03-11 01:25 AM
http://www.uscis.gov/files/pressrelease/AC21Intrm122705.pdf
as per this document, you can port to yourself. (Question #8)
But below are the reasons why I am backing off of opening an LLC on spouse name and porting to that.
http://murthyforum.atinfopop.com/4/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=1024039761&f=4654000912&m=8231099851
also google 'UntanglingSkein_BIB_15jan07.pdf"
http://www.morganlewis.com/pubs/UntanglingSkein_BIB_15jan07.pdf
"This suggests, fairly clearly, that any communication to the USCIS per the Cronin Memo that the adjustment applicant intends to become self-employed is likely to trigger an RFE to inquire into the legitimacy of this arrangement. Legitimacy in this context is likely to be gauged by the concrete steps the beneficiary has taken in furtherance of the self-employment arrangement, understanding that only full-time and permanent employment will suffice for immigration purposes. Such steps would include the completion of legal and corporate formalities, the securing of financing, the purchase or lease of business premises and equipment,the development of a detailed business plan, the hiring of employees, and any other measures typically taken in the establishment of a business. Vague aspirational statements, however ambitious, about future plans to develop a business are unlikely, in the absence of tangible proof, to be accepted as probative of the requisite legitimacy of the self-employer and job offer."
Also, one relevant footnote in the document -
"At the AILA National Conference in 2003, a USCIS officer indicated that an attempt to invoke �106(c) in a selfemployment context is likely to raise �a big red flag� for an adjudicator, and that self-employment may be viewed as �an easy alternative� for aliens who are unable to find employment to sustain their adjustment-of-status applications. Schorr & Yale-Loehr, supra note 2, at 499. It should also be noted that the Memos view the possibility of an adjustment applicant becoming a public charge (and thus being inadmissible under INA �212(a)(4)) as being �a relevant inquiry� and that an RFE requesting information about a self-employment arrangement is likely to probe whether or not the applicant has sufficient financial resources to avoid becoming such a public charge."
Question #3 and #4 should conclude this discussion.
Also how do you define an established company.
If I stay employed for 2-3 yrs on my spouse's LLC and bring 200K each year, is that established?
as per this document, you can port to yourself. (Question #8)
But below are the reasons why I am backing off of opening an LLC on spouse name and porting to that.
http://murthyforum.atinfopop.com/4/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=1024039761&f=4654000912&m=8231099851
also google 'UntanglingSkein_BIB_15jan07.pdf"
http://www.morganlewis.com/pubs/UntanglingSkein_BIB_15jan07.pdf
"This suggests, fairly clearly, that any communication to the USCIS per the Cronin Memo that the adjustment applicant intends to become self-employed is likely to trigger an RFE to inquire into the legitimacy of this arrangement. Legitimacy in this context is likely to be gauged by the concrete steps the beneficiary has taken in furtherance of the self-employment arrangement, understanding that only full-time and permanent employment will suffice for immigration purposes. Such steps would include the completion of legal and corporate formalities, the securing of financing, the purchase or lease of business premises and equipment,the development of a detailed business plan, the hiring of employees, and any other measures typically taken in the establishment of a business. Vague aspirational statements, however ambitious, about future plans to develop a business are unlikely, in the absence of tangible proof, to be accepted as probative of the requisite legitimacy of the self-employer and job offer."
Also, one relevant footnote in the document -
"At the AILA National Conference in 2003, a USCIS officer indicated that an attempt to invoke �106(c) in a selfemployment context is likely to raise �a big red flag� for an adjudicator, and that self-employment may be viewed as �an easy alternative� for aliens who are unable to find employment to sustain their adjustment-of-status applications. Schorr & Yale-Loehr, supra note 2, at 499. It should also be noted that the Memos view the possibility of an adjustment applicant becoming a public charge (and thus being inadmissible under INA �212(a)(4)) as being �a relevant inquiry� and that an RFE requesting information about a self-employment arrangement is likely to probe whether or not the applicant has sufficient financial resources to avoid becoming such a public charge."
Question #3 and #4 should conclude this discussion.
Also how do you define an established company.
If I stay employed for 2-3 yrs on my spouse's LLC and bring 200K each year, is that established?
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yabadaba
08-02 09:28 PM
Immigration - Are we there yet?
All of us have been stuck at the DMV for hours together, trying to renew our licenses, trying to change our address or for getting married and updating our last name. Now imagine being stuck there for years together, waiting and hoping the line moves forward. This is what constitutes "being in line" for an immigration petition today. The end result is the same. You get a plastic card of limited validity, you are fingerprinted and you have your picture displayed. Only this is what is called a "green card."
For all the restrictionists out there who think immigrants are taking their jobs, stealing their women and running off with their TVs, we are just like you. Today, I own a home, am part of my homeowners association, participate in the summer block party and try to ensure that my job is not off-shored. We don’t have horns on our heads that makes us stand out from the rest of you. I don’t get paid less nor has a single American lost his job since I was hired. In fact we have grown from a department of 5 people to almost 20,with me being the only immigrant. There are thousands of people like me who have played by the rules, have come here legally and now are being subjected to the quagmire of antiquated immigration policies that make us rethink the American dream. Do you, my neighbor, want us here?
Today I received a letter from my congressman in response to a webfax asking him to support legislation for granting relief to people affected by retrogression. Retrogression for the uninitiated is the freeze on immigrant visa numbers because of an outdated immigration system. Mind you, for all the people who jump up and say "no to h1-b," this is nothing to do with a worker visa. I have already been certified by the Department of Labor and the United States Citizenship and Immigration Service, as an "alien with advanced degree or exceptional ability." This webfax only asked for his support for legislation that would allow the immigration policies to be updated to today's requirements.
However, my Congressman does not understand that nuance. The letter I received from him talked about my support for H1B/L1 worker visas, which I had not mentioned in my webfax. If our lawmakers do not understand the difference, how do we make our American neighbors understand this complex issue.
Immigration is a complex issue. It cannot be dealt with Lou Dobbs blaming the immigrants for all the middle class woes; it cannot be dealt with congressmen screaming no amnesty. It is a complex issue of thousands of laws, forms, advertisements and petitions. If it were not a complex issue then there would be no such thing as an immigration lawyer. Countries like Canada and Australia do not require immigration lawyers and the process is straightforward. So then naturally the question comes back of why am I still here. The reason for that is I still believe in the spirit of America. I believe in the American dream. I believe that things will work out. I believe that sanity will prevail. I believe that although I missed the boat half a century ago, I am here now and I am welcome.
Yabadaba
IV member.
All of us have been stuck at the DMV for hours together, trying to renew our licenses, trying to change our address or for getting married and updating our last name. Now imagine being stuck there for years together, waiting and hoping the line moves forward. This is what constitutes "being in line" for an immigration petition today. The end result is the same. You get a plastic card of limited validity, you are fingerprinted and you have your picture displayed. Only this is what is called a "green card."
For all the restrictionists out there who think immigrants are taking their jobs, stealing their women and running off with their TVs, we are just like you. Today, I own a home, am part of my homeowners association, participate in the summer block party and try to ensure that my job is not off-shored. We don’t have horns on our heads that makes us stand out from the rest of you. I don’t get paid less nor has a single American lost his job since I was hired. In fact we have grown from a department of 5 people to almost 20,with me being the only immigrant. There are thousands of people like me who have played by the rules, have come here legally and now are being subjected to the quagmire of antiquated immigration policies that make us rethink the American dream. Do you, my neighbor, want us here?
Today I received a letter from my congressman in response to a webfax asking him to support legislation for granting relief to people affected by retrogression. Retrogression for the uninitiated is the freeze on immigrant visa numbers because of an outdated immigration system. Mind you, for all the people who jump up and say "no to h1-b," this is nothing to do with a worker visa. I have already been certified by the Department of Labor and the United States Citizenship and Immigration Service, as an "alien with advanced degree or exceptional ability." This webfax only asked for his support for legislation that would allow the immigration policies to be updated to today's requirements.
However, my Congressman does not understand that nuance. The letter I received from him talked about my support for H1B/L1 worker visas, which I had not mentioned in my webfax. If our lawmakers do not understand the difference, how do we make our American neighbors understand this complex issue.
Immigration is a complex issue. It cannot be dealt with Lou Dobbs blaming the immigrants for all the middle class woes; it cannot be dealt with congressmen screaming no amnesty. It is a complex issue of thousands of laws, forms, advertisements and petitions. If it were not a complex issue then there would be no such thing as an immigration lawyer. Countries like Canada and Australia do not require immigration lawyers and the process is straightforward. So then naturally the question comes back of why am I still here. The reason for that is I still believe in the spirit of America. I believe in the American dream. I believe that things will work out. I believe that sanity will prevail. I believe that although I missed the boat half a century ago, I am here now and I am welcome.
Yabadaba
IV member.
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ItIsNotFunny
03-04 05:14 PM
After reading all these, got curious and checked status of my cases online after a year. I got a soft lud on my, my wife & son's case on 02/25. Something is definitely happening.
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06-21 03:58 PM
you rekindled our hopes on this funding drive
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srinivas06
09-10 05:03 PM
Hello!
If possible can you allow people to donate any amount they want?
I did $100 donation and transaction Id is 4V64496321804025H. I have sent this information to all of my friends. There might be some people who want to donate but less than $100 one time donation.
My understanding is that IV is having around 24,000 members and even if everybody donates $2 then it will be around $46K. So if possible please send a mail to all the members to do at least $5 donation.
Thanks and Regards
If possible can you allow people to donate any amount they want?
I did $100 donation and transaction Id is 4V64496321804025H. I have sent this information to all of my friends. There might be some people who want to donate but less than $100 one time donation.
My understanding is that IV is having around 24,000 members and even if everybody donates $2 then it will be around $46K. So if possible please send a mail to all the members to do at least $5 donation.
Thanks and Regards
alterego
01-08 10:01 PM
The only harsh thing he said was that Indian education was awful. Everything else he said was extremely positive especially when he talked about the amazing progress India is making. I think he said that because he was saying that India is racing ahead and Indians are very successful entrepreneurs. (I am not sure).
I clicked on the link section under the video and found the slides that go with this. I have no idea what this website is or what NGA is, but here is where you can download the slides -- http://innovationandprosperity.pbwiki.com/innovationandprosperityMonday
He has many interesting slides on immigration and seems to be fighting for our cause.
So if you want to get nationalistic and get upset over silly things go ahead!!!
I wish I could go to Duke University or Harvard. I could not get admission or afford it if I did.
If you are objective, can you argue that much of the 350K engineers graduated in India are not up to par. No offense to the graduates, however the schools are often just not up to par. Much of this graduation is private for profit colleges, frequently owned by a few investors or families.
US Engineering colleges are much better accredited in my view.
That said however, India being a much larger country (population wise) there are probably more than 70K good quality engineering grads. coming out of India annually.
I clicked on the link section under the video and found the slides that go with this. I have no idea what this website is or what NGA is, but here is where you can download the slides -- http://innovationandprosperity.pbwiki.com/innovationandprosperityMonday
He has many interesting slides on immigration and seems to be fighting for our cause.
So if you want to get nationalistic and get upset over silly things go ahead!!!
I wish I could go to Duke University or Harvard. I could not get admission or afford it if I did.
If you are objective, can you argue that much of the 350K engineers graduated in India are not up to par. No offense to the graduates, however the schools are often just not up to par. Much of this graduation is private for profit colleges, frequently owned by a few investors or families.
US Engineering colleges are much better accredited in my view.
That said however, India being a much larger country (population wise) there are probably more than 70K good quality engineering grads. coming out of India annually.
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